[LMB] Citizenship? - Oaths and Arde

Eric Oppen ravenclaweric at gmail.com
Tue Dec 7 17:16:30 GMT 2021

"Subject to the jurisdiction of" in that amendment also meant that Indians
(being members of their own tribes, which were considered kinda-sorta
independent nations) were not citizens.  My father could remember when they
passed a law saying that Indians were citizens---he lived just down the
road from the Pipestone Indian boarding school, and when he was in high
school, his sports teams played against those guys pretty regularly.

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 10:45 AM Harvey Fishman <fishman at panix.com> wrote:

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> >According to the 14th Amendment anyone born in the United States is
> >automatically a US citizen. Even children of foreign officials who are
> >stationed here.
> I question that second part: " Section 1. All persons born or
> naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction
> thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they
> reside. " Foreign officials, i.e. those in the employ of a foreign
> government, are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
> There is currently a movement in New York State to grant the vote to
> legal residents, i.e. Green Card Holders, who are not citizens. This is
> obviously only for State and local elections, but... I am not sure of
> the case with felons.
> Harvey
> >
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