[LMB] OT: Cigarette Prohibition NZ

Eric Oppen ravenclaweric at gmail.com
Mon Dec 13 16:12:54 GMT 2021

When I was young, it was hard to get courts to convict on drunk driving
alone.  There were always too many people on the jury thinking "There, but
for the grace of God, go I," and that makes it real hard to convict.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 6:27 AM WalterStuartBushell <proto at panix.com> wrote:

> > On Dec 12, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Gordon Jackson <listmail at gordonj.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > In all 3 of the countries in which I have lived, New Zealand, Australia
> and UK, this has been the pattern. Once upon a time if you had a car
> accident being drunk was an excuse, now it’s tantamount to intent to kill
> someone.
> I think it’s at the level of homicide by gross negligence rather than
> murder with intent.
> In NY state, IIRC it’s more sever than hit and run, so drunk run and try
> to sober up,
> rather than stay and have a sobriety test.
>> “Of all the means to insure happiness throughout the whole life, by far
> the most important is the acquisition of friends.”
> ~Epicurus
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