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Sun Jul 18 14:22:32 BST 2021
Am 18.07.2021 um 15:06 schrieb Elizabeth Holden:
> tidsel said:
>> But as said earlier, I think it is attitude more than topics, and the
> books are so good, topics do
>> come out of them.
>> Thus pizzas are simply an ever re-occurng band aid that does not touch
> the actual problem.
> Seems to me that it does: it's a veto on topics that could cause
> real dissension in the lists, which can be wielded by anyone - wasn't there
> once a three-day period for it? In any case, it seems to more or less work,
> the list survives, hopefully no one is permanently offended, and we all
> carry one. That looks like success to me.
> What would failure look like? Everyone would go away and there'd be no one
> left to talk about anything.
> I blinked at the notion that the Bujold novels are not political. They are
> all about governance, whether good or bad or indeterminate, and how
> individuals cope within that milieu. Is it American politics? I would
> argue, because the author is American,it is flavoured by American history
> and culture, and that's certainly not a bad thing.
essentially we are running up here against Aristoteles' "zoon politikon"
- ultimately EVERYTHING a human does or says is political (in the sense
of society or state forming / building / participating) .. and excluding
this from the list at the whim of some plain member who do not want to
read "nasty things" (defined as "anything that i do not like") seems to
be a diminishment of the list
ob bujold - forex, any serious discussion of Beta society / mores will
very fast become political .. and in order to have any meaningful
discussion we will have to compare and contrast to other societies -
societies that are known to us and can thus serve as touchstones /
marker points / good or bad examples .. and given the putative mother
society of the Beta we will have to remark on US society and politics in
about the only person i would accept havong a veto on subjects is her
> Not that I'm saying we should ever talk about the forbidden topic. I'm just
> saying... politics is a part of life, and we can all be civil about it to
> good effect.
> Elizabeth Holden <azurite at azurite.ca>
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