[LMB] Utopias OT:

Raymond Collins rcrcoll6 at gmail.com
Sun Jul 25 05:23:44 BST 2021

Iain Bank's Culture novels come close being utopias athoe the characters
acted outside of the Culture Worlds or where enemies attacked the Culture

On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 3:52 PM Damien Sullivan <phoenix at mindstalk.net> wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 12:09:07PM -0400, Elizabeth Holden wrote:
> > I have noticed that authors and philosophers don't have much of a problem
> > depicting dystopias, but have a terrible time imagining utopias - that
> is,
> It's not that hard to imagine something utopia-ish.  The bigger problem
> is setting stories in it.  Tolkien said something like this, that what
> was pleasant to experience was dully to describe, while stories are a
> bunch of bad things happening to other people.  The Culture stories are
> mostly set outside the Culture, ditto Star Trek.
> There's also where one *stops*.  There's a difference between 'utopia'
> where everyone is human and has enough to eat and doesn't live in fear,
> and a 'utopia' where everyone is an immortal and omnipotent god within
> their private sphere.
> For more mortal utopias, Le Guin's "Those Who Walk Away From Omelas"
> starts with an implication that most people don't pay attention to: that
> people feel a good society is not plausible, that putting having it be
> based on a tortured child makes it *more believable*.
> Other problems include happiness depending on other people, yet it's not
> utopian to require that other people work to make you happy. And that
> "no one has to work for a living" feels like an obvious utopian move,
> but then conflicts with "well, what's the point of life, what do people
> do that doesn't feel shallow?"
> -xx- Damien X-)
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