[LMB] OT: Vegans, was Religion question

Ruchira Mathur wetair at gmail.com
Thu Jul 29 13:24:20 BST 2021


Some people do those things, but not all or even most. Some religious
people do those things too - think they're superior to everyone else for
acting how they act. You can find people like that in every group.

And what someone else said - this is a topic that riles people up and also
it has come up before.

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 8:09 AM WILLIAM A WENRICH <wawenri at msn.com> wrote:

> The major issue I have with some (please note that this is not all
> inclusive) vegans is not that the number of domestic animals would decline
> (though it would even if they allowed for animals to be pets) or the
> extreme terrorists (a very small number though they can be deadly) but the
> smug moral superiority that I have run into and the idea that anyone who
> isn’t vegan should include a full meal for them with nothing that would
> stress their sensibilities.
> An Orthodox Jew who keeps kosher or a Muslim who follows Halal will not in
> my experience insist that you do the same and claim superiority if you
> don’t. People with food allergies don’t claim the moral high ground for not
> eating certain foods.
>
> William A Wenrich
> Christian, Husband, Father, Granddaddy, Son, & American. Here I am. I can
> do no other. God help me!
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> Subject: Re: [LMB] OT: Vegans, was Religion question
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> I think this is one topic where we all have to agree to disagree..
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> I do not agree with Gwynne either, the vegans I know simply do not behave
> like this, and I do not think you can blame all vegans
> for the behavior of the ones closest to you. They do sound awful - like
> the kind who could have chosen any cause as long as it gives you the chance
> to
> make mayhem - but not everybody is like that.
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> I would agree the problem with farm animals, in the long run they might
> simply die out because no one would want them, but there is no short term
> problem as
> far as I can see. The immediate problem is of course the incredibly cruel
> way meat is most often 'produced'.
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> This is a topic that seems to fire people up - don't let it.
> Tidsel
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> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
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> On Thursday, July 29th, 2021 at 2:00 AM, Joel Polowin <
> jpolowin at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Gwynne Powell gwynnepowell at hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > And the biggest reality, of course, is that if they converted the rest
> of us to
> > >
> > > veganism it would mean the deaths of millions of animals. Most farm
> animals
> > >
> > > wouldn't, couldn't, be released 'into the wild'. Many of them are
> nowhere near
> > >
> > > any kind of wilderness. Releasing all those domesticated animals would
> lead to
> > >
> > > the deaths of massive numbers of native fauna. And the deaths of most
> of the
> > >
> > > released animals, too, that couldn't survive in the wild. They can't
> just keep the
> > >
> > > animals and stop them breeding, and let them die out naturally; they
> don't
> > >
> > > believe in interfering with the fertility of the animals. They don't
> want to
> > >
> > > protect animals, they want to wipe them out.
> >
> > FFS, Gwynne, I debunked that bit of nonsense, twice, the last time
> >
> > you were on a tear about the stoopid eeevil vegans, just a few months
> >
> > ago.
> >
> > As demand decreases, the farms scale back production. Everyone wouldn't
> >
> > switch to being vegan all at once. Almost nobody is talking about
> >
> > releasing herds into the wilderness, just a tiny number of nutjobs.
> >
> > Joel
> >
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