[LMB] [OT] Atlantic crossings, was Centrifugal gravity, was Re: Cordelia's College sport

Eric Oppen ravenclaweric at gmail.com
Wed Jun 23 17:57:05 BST 2021


Roman ships were built outside-to-in---they built the outside first and
then fit the ribs in.   Viking and later wooden ships were built ribs-out.
That made them quite a bit sturdier.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 8:56 AM Pat Mathews <mathews55 at msn.com> wrote:

> How did Roman ships in their heyday compare to the later Viking ships? Of
> course, the Vikings had a much easier route, island-hopping all the way. It
> doesn't show on a Mercator map, but get one centered on the North Pole, and
> it stands out strongly.
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> Re: Cordelia's College sport
>
> Indeed.  If I had my time ship handy,  I'd trowel the past and see if that
> happened. Alas! I don't have a time ship. So  maybe there might be a few
> archaeological bits and pieces about like a bit of leather,  or a copper
> coin. And don't forget the DNA.
>
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 3:45 AM markus baur via Lois-Bujold <
> lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > and the romans DID go to the canary islands - which was the jump off
> > point for columbus to cross the atlantic
> >
> > servus
> >
> > markus
> >
> > On 23.06.2021 08:41, Raymond Collins wrote:
> > > The Roman's had pretty good ships but for the most part they were
> > designed
> > > for the Mediterranean sea. But theoretically they could have crossed
> the
> > > Atlantic if they got lucky weather wise. And of course there were the
> > > natives who may or may not have been  all that friendly. There may have
> > > been contact but I doubts it was two way. Of course DNA evidence has
> > > surprised us on the west coast of South America and on some Polynesian
> > > islands.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 12:11 AM B. Ross Ashley <brashley46 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 11:51:31 +0200, markus baur <baur at chello.at>
> wrote,
> > >> inter alia:
> > >>
> > >>> On 22.06.2021 02:32, Matthew George wrote:
> > >>>> On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 3:44 AM Matija Grabnar via Lois-Bujold <
> > >>>> lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> [snip]
> > >>
> > >>>> The Romans didn't have the tech to cross the Atlantic, and if they'd
> > >>>> somehow managed it,
> > >>> that is very much debateable. Thor Heyerdahl showed that pre-roman
> > Egypt
> > >>> would have had the necessary tech for a one way crossing of the
> > atlantic
> > >>>
> > >>>> they would have been a horror.
> > >>> yes - mostly for the illnesses they would have brought with them ..
> > >>>
> > >>> otoh they most likely would not have been able to exploit the "window
> > of
> > >>> opportunity" opened by these illnesses
> > >>
> > >> We know that medieval Norsemen from Iceland managed it; the lack in
> > >> their case was sufficient political organisation to reinforce the few
> > >> settlements - maybe only one - in Newfoundland. Their knorrs were
> better
> > >> adapted to the North Atlantic than Roman cargo ships would have been.
> > >> But they were weeks of sea time away from Greenland, more weeks away
> > >> from Iceland, and even more weeks away from their old homeland in
> Norway
> > >> which was being ravaged by internecine war off and on for at least a
> > >> century.
> > >>
> > >> I can imagine a cohort of legionary troops in 10 or 15 knerrir, but
> the
> > >> chances of all of them making the voyage intact are next to nil.
> > >>
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