[LMB] [OT] Atlantic crossings

Raymond Collins rcrcoll6 at gmail.com
Thu Jun 24 11:01:44 BST 2021


Tourism in Roman times was very exciting!

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 12:32 AM markus baur via Lois-Bujold <
lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk> wrote:

> On 24.06.2021 01:11, Eric Oppen wrote:
> > The stormy season in the Mediterranean is winter, AIUI.
>
> mostly, yes .. but the catabatic storms and the Mistral can also occur
> at other times of the year .. and they give little warning
>
> > During winter in
> > classical antiquity,  shipping all but completely stopped.
>
> yes ..
>
> servus
>
> markus
>
> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 3:02 PM baur baur via Lois-Bujold <
> > lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> Elizabeth Holden <alzurite at gmail.com> hat am 23.06.2021 20:46
> >> geschrieben:
> >>>
> >>> I thought the thing that gave the VIkings superior sailing power was
> not
> >> so
> >>> much the strength of their boats (which were nonetheless superior in
> >> build)
> >>> but the excellence of their navigation Whether this was because of the
> >> "sun
> >>> stones" (a device acting like a compass) or simply advanced
> understanding
> >>> of the ocean is unclear, at least to me.
> >>
> >> yes, no, sort off
> >>
> >> the viking were - for their period - very good (coastal) navigators ..
> do
> >> not that the vikings did, just like the romans never voluntarily go VERY
> >> far ( a few days distance) away from a coast line
> >>
> >> but blue water (not coastal) navigation was - for antiquity as for the
> >> viking period and up to John Harrison basically limited to "running down
> >> the latitudes" - crossing the ocenan at constant latidues
> >>
> >> not only did that follow the typical blue water wind and ocean currents,
> >> it also made navigation a LOT easier, as you had at least one variable
> (the
> >> latitude) fixed and known - the longitude was educated guesswork until
> >> Harrison developed the nautcal chronometer
> >>
> >> you can see that at the routes of the columbous trips .. the
> >> translatlantic parts (especially the first voyage - he got more brave
> >> later) are basically purely east-west or vice versa ..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyages_of_Christopher_Columbus#/media/File:Viajes_de_colon_en.svg
> >>
> >> servus
> >>
> >> markus
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