[LMB] OT: Ivermectin (was: Comercials

Mark Goldfield markgoldfield at hotmail.com
Mon Oct 18 00:02:46 BST 2021


Also interesting regarding Covid vaccination after an allergic reaction:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2782348?guestAccessKey=5bce44d8-672d-454c-bf71-b4b9a66cb866&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=072621


https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/93756



On Oct 17, 2021, at 5:31 PM, alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca wrote:


From: WalterStuartBushell <proto at panix.com>
People who fall for scams and the more obvious the scam the worse they fall, find it hard
to give up and admit they were wrong. In many cases they?d rather die.

On Sun, 17 Oct 2021, Gwynne Powell wrote:
Gwynne: I've seen a great deal of information, and sad examples, of people who will
cling so tightly to a ridiculous and often damaging belief, no matter what. And I know
that simple proof and logic aren't enough. But what is? What does it take to get through?
That's not a flippant question. We really need to figure out how to deal with the
worrying huge numbers of people who are deluded almost to the point of mental
disturbance.

I very rarely read political memoirs (see **) but I've actually been enjoying Barack Obama's latest memoirs as an audiobook. (Don't worry - no US politics here.) I've just got to the point where he's running for president, and he tells of his realization that actually discussing the ins and outs & nuances of policy is not what audiences want to hear - it's a much more emotional message they're interested in. He's also advised not to answer media questions directly/completely but instead to use them as a springboard to his own talking points because that's what works.

So I think that addressing fears & emotional reactions directly and with respect may be the only way of dealing with this. I heard a recent discussion on CBC about ivermectin and it suggested that pro-vax people making fun of this (which is SO tempting) just puts people's backs up.

I did see an interesting story today suggesting that there are ways to avoid allergic reactions even for people who may have had bad reactions to other vaccines or their first COVID shot:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Fcanada%2Fhamilton%2Fvaccine-allergy-reactions-covid-1.6214300&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf9617b2cd61e489aeda208d991b57022%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637701030739119119%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Gu3DgjbvmP7Mf%2B7EyxJXRxw%2BXoiwOTrXl8D9YAW4HW4%3D&reserved=0

I think that's hopeful.

(** My previous three favourite political memoirs are all Canadian: _Memoirs of a Bird in a Gilded Cage by Judy LaMarsh, _Gentlemen, Players, and Politicians_ by Dalton Camp, and _What Have You Done for Me Lately?_ by Jeremy Akerman -- and boy, do those date me! I seriously doubt anyone on this list has read any of them...)

Alayne

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