[LMB] OT: Dune

Matthew George matt.msg at gmail.com
Thu Oct 28 20:41:07 BST 2021


On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 3:26 PM Richard G. Molpus <rgmolpus at flash.net>
wrote:

> Dune is a chronicle of the biggest engineering failure -ever-.
> The Bene Geserit had been trying to breed the Kwitsach Haderach for
> millenia, to 'give' humanity the savior it 'needed'; what they got would be
> Leto II, the God Emperor.
>

Actually, they succeeded.  Beyond their wildest dreams. Because they wanted
a superhuman they could control, who would give them absolute control over
the destiny of humanity, and they got the savior who saved humanity from
itself and any group or entity that would ever try to seize control, for
all time.

That one side of the final mix would be the Harkonnen family.... should
> have been all the warning needed.
> FAIL.
>

Ruthlessness was part of what was needed.  Paul ultimately failed because
he couldn't endure the actions he could sense were needed.  His son,
however, with that infusion of Fremen genes and life experience, was
perfectly capable of choosing a "necessary wrong".  If the Harkonnens were
failures as leaders, so were the Atreides - ultimately, because each house
was bred and conditioned to be a pure sample of a cosmic principle.  The
Kwisatz Haderach needed to be the balance between the two extremes.  Very
Daoist.


> They should have taken tissue samples from Duke Leta, Lady Gessica, and
> Feyd Rautha, sent them to someone competent - like House Baraputra, on
> Jackson's Whole, and taken delivery of the eventual Utirine Replicator.
> None of this 'will he/she go to bed with the right person' stuff.
>

When the BG decide they're going to harvest your reproductive cells, they
don't need anything as crude as a tissue sampler to manage it.

Matt G.


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