[LMB] self-driving vehicles OT:

Ruchira Mathur wetair at gmail.com
Wed Sep 1 15:20:22 BST 2021

Could be because data from sensors and cameras isn't that great in bad
weather and that makes it harder for the computer to drive.

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 10:06 AM Damien Sullivan <phoenix at mindstalk.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 04:28:25AM -0500, Raymond Collins wrote:
> > I think after both the software and hardware glitches are solved then we
> > will have a reliable smart cruise control system for cars. It's just a
> > matter of market forces convincing manufacturers to build a better and
> > safer autonomous vehicle.
> No, it's a lot more than that.  Navigating from point A to point B is
> easy.  Driving in an urban environment is *hard*.  It's not a matter of
> 'glitches' and just trying hard enough, it's a matter of hard AI
> problems: predicting behavior, theory of mind, reading ad hoc detour
> signs.
> https://xkcd.com/1425/
> Predicted deadlines keep receding into the future.  The *executives* in
> charge of these programs are pessimistic.  It's not a matter of
> "convincing" them, the market incentives are already substantial.  It's
> a matter of what's possible when you're asking insect-level computes to
> navigate human-complex environments.
> > On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 3:38 AM baur baur via Lois-Bujold <
> > > > Humans are still a lot better than the "self-driving" car systems.
> > >
> > > there are already indication that the CURRENT asssist system (which are
> > > not full level 4 or 5 autopilots) do reduce the numbers of accidents in
> > > partly-protected motorways whne compared to human driving
> That's easy mode.  Humans can drive through Boston streets, with
> pedestrians and bicyclists, in the snow, at night, with road closures.
> "Self-driving" cars get tested during the day in dry climates that have
> no weather; last I heard, admittedly a few years ago now, they failed
> outright in rain or snow.
> Human drivers aren't perfect but they do a decent job in a huge variety
> of appalling conditions.  The AI doesn't.  And the AI has to be not just
> safe -- that's easy, just don't move if you might possibly hit something
> -- but also effective,  actually getting somewhere.
> -xx- Damien X-)
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