[LMB] self-driving vehicles OT:

markus baur baur at chello.at
Wed Sep 1 15:59:44 BST 2021

it also makes it harder for humans to drive

but you have lunatics doing 130 km/h (or whatever the mph equivalent is) 
on a motorway in dense fog

i do not envision any self-drying system displaying THAT kind of lunacy



On 01.09.2021 16:20, Ruchira Mathur wrote:
> Could be because data from sensors and cameras isn't that great in bad
> weather and that makes it harder for the computer to drive.
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 10:06 AM Damien Sullivan <phoenix at mindstalk.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 04:28:25AM -0500, Raymond Collins wrote:
>>> I think after both the software and hardware glitches are solved then we
>>> will have a reliable smart cruise control system for cars. It's just a
>>> matter of market forces convincing manufacturers to build a better and
>>> safer autonomous vehicle.
>> No, it's a lot more than that.  Navigating from point A to point B is
>> easy.  Driving in an urban environment is *hard*.  It's not a matter of
>> 'glitches' and just trying hard enough, it's a matter of hard AI
>> problems: predicting behavior, theory of mind, reading ad hoc detour
>> signs.
>> https://xkcd.com/1425/
>> Predicted deadlines keep receding into the future.  The *executives* in
>> charge of these programs are pessimistic.  It's not a matter of
>> "convincing" them, the market incentives are already substantial.  It's
>> a matter of what's possible when you're asking insect-level computes to
>> navigate human-complex environments.
>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 3:38 AM baur baur via Lois-Bujold <
>>>>> Humans are still a lot better than the "self-driving" car systems.
>>>> there are already indication that the CURRENT asssist system (which are
>>>> not full level 4 or 5 autopilots) do reduce the numbers of accidents in
>>>> partly-protected motorways whne compared to human driving
>> That's easy mode.  Humans can drive through Boston streets, with
>> pedestrians and bicyclists, in the snow, at night, with road closures.
>> "Self-driving" cars get tested during the day in dry climates that have
>> no weather; last I heard, admittedly a few years ago now, they failed
>> outright in rain or snow.
>> Human drivers aren't perfect but they do a decent job in a huge variety
>> of appalling conditions.  The AI doesn't.  And the AI has to be not just
>> safe -- that's easy, just don't move if you might possibly hit something
>> -- but also effective,  actually getting somewhere.
>> -xx- Damien X-)
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