[LMB] Spirit Ring - Fathers & Daughters

Matija Grabnar lmb at matija.com
Tue Sep 7 21:03:29 BST 2021

On 07/09/2021 20:05, tidsel via Lois-Bujold wrote:
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> On Monday, September 6th, 2021 at 11:44 PM, Matija Grabnar via Lois-Bujold <lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 06/09/2021 21:26, Matthew George wrote:
>>> It's very easy to condemn characters that think educating women was a
>>> waste. But, for quite a long part of European history, it =was=.
> Assuming they did not have time to read, yes, I would agree. For a long time.
That's a little bit circular, don't you think? Why not teach them to 
read? Because they're not reading. Since they couldn't read, of course 
they found other things to do.
> Was educating Elizabeth I (aka Elizabeth Tudor) a waste of time?
> Hardly representative for her time.

Well, she was just an example of a woman that could do as well as any 
man of her time, she just needed to be given a chance. The "not 
representative" part is just that, unlike other women of her time, she 
was given a chance to show what she was capable of.

Note that she was not educated as a future queen, just as a daughter of 
a king. She was four when her brother was born, and it was obvious he 
would be king and she was out of the contention for the throne. She was 
twenty when Edward died, and until age 28 she very much did NOT want to 
be viewed as a contender for the throne (or her sister would have her 
killed). So during the time when she was being educated, she was not 
considered queen material.

So you can't argue that she got a super-special education, she just was 
put into position where she was able to show what she was capable of.

If you want someone truly outstanding, think Eleanor of Aquitaine. Now 
*she* would make a great drama series.

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