[LMB] OT: Tea Party - books discussed - Murderbot

alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca
Sun Sep 12 16:36:47 BST 2021

I love all of Martha Wells' Ile-Rien books. I started with The Death of 
the Necromancer, and then discovered the others: The Element of Fire and 
The Fall of Ile-Rien trilogy. They're particularly good as audiobooks, 
too, which is a sign of good writing.

(I haven't been able to get the short story anthology yet because it's 
DRMed eBook only.)

You can see the list at http://marthawells.com/ilerien.htm

Re Murderbot: Howard, the whole point of that series is how Murderbot is 
protective, almost parental, of humans - and is not big on killing people. 
The series is about Murderbot's learning to trust and be loved and to be 
treated as a person. I'd try the second book in the series, _Artificial 
Condition_, in which you'll meet the inimitable ART.

Besides _Network Effect_, Wells also won a Hugo Award for Best Novella for 
_All Systems Red_ and _Artificial Condition_.


On Sun, 12 Sep 2021, Ruchira Mathur wrote:
> I actually loved the Cloud Roads by Martha Wells. It's one of my favorite
> series ever, favorite reread, and the world is very different from any
> other. It's probably some of the most creative world building I've ever
> seen.
> But before that, she also wrote City of Bones and there is a series called
> ill-rein, something like that. There is magic, deadly peril, air ships and
> a playright.
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 12:01 AM Elizabeth Holden <alzurite at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 11, 2021, at 9:10 PM, brazee <howard at brazee.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I read “All Systems Red” and had no desire to read another.   But I
>> > see "Network Effect" won a Hugo.
>> I loved "All Systems Red" and couldn't stop reading till I got to the end.
>> > Maybe it is just him calling himself a Murderbot that turned me off.
>> This isn't really a spoiler - it's established near the beginning that
>> there has been erasure of Murderbot's memory of events,  and Murderbot was
>> said to have killed people. Hence using the self-designation "Murderbot",
>> possibly in a sense of misguided guilt, possibly in ironic protest.
>> Murderbot is very protective of people, as we see early on and throughout
>> the series.
>> >  But
>> > I really don’t remember the plot all that well.
>> I remember the plot and theme of the series as a whole, but since I read
>> them one after another, I don't recall where each one began and ended.
>> Katherine said:
>> >  I liked other Martha Wells books,
>> I wanted to like them, but really didn't much like "the Cloud Roads". Could
>> you suggest a better starting place? Something without the Raksura?
>> > But Murderbot itself (never referred to as “he” or “she” — easier than
>> you might think, since it > is the narrator) turns out to be so _kind_.
>> Well, maybe kind is the wrong word.
>> Thoughtful?  Compassionate? I used "protective" above - it's sort of a mix
>> of these things.
>> >  It is wrestling with what being human means, even though it denies being
>> human.
>> Such wonderful books, in my opinion.
>> Katherine
>> namaste,
>> Elizabeth
>> Elizabeth Holden <azurite at azurite.ca>

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