[LMB] OT: Language changes - Fascism

Matija Grabnar lmb at matija.com
Wed Sep 15 20:42:42 BST 2021


Our little Willy had another accident of "whoops, did I make a political 
post by repeating misinformation from the Conservative bubbles on 
Facebook? I had no idea!"
So let me correct some of your misconceptions.

On 15/09/2021 14:21, WILLIAM A WENRICH wrote:
> Two examples are racism and Fascism. Racism used to mean discrimination based on race. Now it has to do with (to me) I’ll defined power structures and there’s no word to describe racially based discrimination. In fact, some pundits call racially based discrimination against some groups anti racism.
I don't think that's true, but to rebut you, I'd have to wade deep into 
US politics, which is a no-no here. So I'll settle for saying that you 
made a very broad statement without providing a single shred of proof.
> Fascism was coined in Italy from an Italian word meaning “a bundle of sticks”.
True.
>   It wasn’t right wing unless compared to Communism.

False. It was to the right of every other party in Italy, by Mussolini's 
own definition.

And as the proof of the pudding is in the eating, Mussolini's first 
enemies (just like with Hitler) were the syndicalists and worker 
organizers who annoyed their industrialist financiers.

Unlike in Soviet Union, being a big industrialist was A-OK with both 
Hitler and Mussolini. Own a big factory? As long as you make a generous 
contribution to the party coffers, you will have no problems, and plenty 
of sales to the government. Any labor trouble will be dealt with by 
either the Fascists party thugs (early on) or by the police (once the 
Fascists were in power).

Soviet Union was collectivist for everybody. Fascists Italy and Nazi 
Germany were only collectivist for the little guy, but very much a 
heaven for the big industrialists, the clergy, and the aristocracy.

With Hitler, the name of the party had socialism in the name for exactly 
the same reason German Democratic Republic and the Democratic People's 
Republic of Korea have "democratic" in the name - to fool the naive. 
Industrialists and share holders made out like bandits under Hitler. IG 
Farben, Siemens, Krupp,  Fiat, were just some of the big industrial 
concerns that flourished under the two regimes, and none of them were 
nationalized under Fascists or under Nazis. While Mussolini nationalized 
a lot of industries, during the depression, he did it when they were 
going under, and he only nationalized the industries that were going 
under - not wholesale like they did in the Soviet Union.

And while the Soviet Union was mostly atheist (until Stalin needed the 
support of the priests, then they were OK), Fascists and Nazis were very 
God with us, and had the support of church authorities from the start. 
The church likes to pretend that they were against Fascists and Nazis, 
but I had family who lived under Italian occupation during WW2, and they 
told me the church very much supported the Fascists government.

> Now the dictionary defines Fascism as right wing and conservatives and libertarians are called fascists.
Because they are explicitly copying from the Fascists instruction books. 
I could go through the checklist for you, but again, US politics.

You didn't change the Subject line when you wrote your deceitful little 
screed, so I did it for you.



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