[LMB] OT: Language changes - Fascism

Pat Mathews mathews55 at msn.com
Thu Sep 16 01:05:45 BST 2021


Totally agreed. All they mean now is "hssssss! boooo!"
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From: Lois-Bujold <lois-bujold-bounces at lists.herald.co.uk> on behalf of Robert Woodward <Robert_A_Woodward at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [LMB] OT: Language changes - Fascism



> On Sep 15, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Matija Grabnar via Lois-Bujold <lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Our little Willy had another accident of "whoops, did I make a political post by repeating misinformation from the Conservative bubbles on Facebook? I had no idea!"
> So let me correct some of your misconceptions.
>

I too am of the opinion that “fascism” is overused (by many people); BTW, “socialism” is also overused (by different people). In both cases, it is used to mean “policies we despise/hate/abhore."

> On 15/09/2021 14:21, WILLIAM A WENRICH wrote:
>> Two examples are racism and Fascism. Racism used to mean discrimination based on race. Now it has to do with (to me) I’ll defined power structures and there’s no word to describe racially based discrimination. In fact, some pundits call racially based discrimination against some groups anti racism.
> I don't think that's true, but to rebut you, I'd have to wade deep into US politics, which is a no-no here. So I'll settle for saying that you made a very broad statement without providing a single shred of proof.

I have wondered if “racism” is being claimed in cases where the more general term “tribalism” would be more appropriate (ancestry is not the only criteria for “the other”).

>> Fascism was coined in Italy from an Italian word meaning “a bundle of sticks”.
> True.
>>  It wasn’t right wing unless compared to Communism.
>
> False. It was to the right of every other party in Italy, by Mussolini's own definition.
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>

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>> Now the dictionary defines Fascism as right wing and conservatives and libertarians are called fascists.
> Because they are explicitly copying from the Fascists instruction books. I could go through the checklist for you, but again, US politics.
>

If libertarians (and I am speaking of the US ones) are matching your checklist, your checklist is too broad.

"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
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