[LMB] OT: People Changing Political Words

Damien Sullivan phoenix at mindstalk.net
Sun Sep 26 05:58:55 BST 2021


On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 05:32:49PM +0100, Bujold list wrote:
> On 18/09/2021 16:36, Pat Mathews wrote:
> > Eric and all - oddly enough, the workers the various Marxist parties tried to represent, had little or no taste for revolution as long as they could get a decent job at a decent wage.
> 
> Decent job at a decent wage is pretty much the definition of socialism. Some

Strong disagree.  I'd say core definitions of socialism are "social control of
the means of production" or "worker control of the means of production",
and a general hostility to wage labor for private employers (and
hostility to landlords).  The least radical form of such sociaism would
be a market society of the self-employed and worker-owned cooperatives,
and laws strongly favoring renting turning into ownership.

OTOH words pick up different meanings, and decades of the right labeling
anything government as "socialism" has diluted the meaning in many uses.


-xx- Damien X-)


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