[LMB] Sorry, Cordelia! Here, have a real steak.

Marc Wilson marc.wilson at gmx.co.uk
Sun Sep 26 19:46:42 BST 2021

On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 00:23:18 -0500, Raymond Collins <rcrcoll6 at gmail.com>

>It's possible lab grown meat would be a popular alternative for space
>stations where raising beef would be impossible and the price of shipping
>steaks up from Earth gravity prohibitively expensive.
>On Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 9:18 PM Damien Sullivan <phoenix at mindstalk.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 01:01:42PM +0000, Karen A. Wyle wrote:
>> >  I glanced at this article, though I didn't read it thoroughly or
>> >  completely. I noticed that it seemed at least partly concerned with
>> >  the idea of replacing meat entirely for environmental reasons, rather
>> Almost entirely concerned with environmental reasons, yes.
>> >  than offering an affordable option at the grocery store. Did it
>> >  demonstrate that the latter is and will remain impractical?  Karen A.
>> It depends what you mean by 'affordable'.  "Competitive with
>> traditional" meat, yes unlikely.  Even a favorable and optimistic
>> industry report basically concedes they can't compete.  "People can pay
>> several times current prices to feel good" might happen.  An Israeli
>> company, Future Meat, says they can culture chicken for only $18/pound
>> (that's *production* cost, so retail probably $30+), but see no room for
>> improvement.
>> Well, and that number is lower than the ones I see in press-releases,
>> $7.50 for a quarter-pound of chicken, so $30/lb.  And that's blended
>> with "some" plant proteins.  And no actual products on the market yet.
>> So basically you could pay more to know your meat came from 'happy'
>> animals, or pay even more to know your meat didn't come from an animal
>> at all.
>> >     On Saturday, September 25, 2021, 07:44:57 AM EDT, Pat Mathews <
>> mathews55 at msn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >  https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/
>> Long article, but worth reading.
>> Feeding the cells is hard, getting them to not wallow in their own waste
>> is hard, keeping them sterile of contaminants is hard, getting them to
>> not depend on serum from slaughtered cow fetuses is hard, building
>> enough and big enough bioreactors for food markets ishard.  Culturing
>> animal cells is basically what many vaccine companies do, so there's
>> already a lot of experience in just how hard the problems are.
>> -xx- Damien X-)
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Whenever I hear even experts say that something can't happen, I recall
Ernest Rutherford, the man who split the atom:

"The energy produced by the breaking down of the atom is a very poor
kind of thing. Anyone who expects a source of power from transformation
of these atoms is talking moonshine. … We hope in the next few years to
get some idea of what these atoms are, how they are made, and the way
they are worked."

People who have tried it, tell me that a clear conscience makes you
very happy and contented; but a full stomach does the business quite
as well, and is cheaper, and more easily obtained.
 - Jerome K. Jerome

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