[LMB] OT: People Changing Political Words

Marc Wilson marc.wilson at gmx.co.uk
Mon Sep 27 19:17:00 BST 2021


On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 09:46:37 +0100, Matija Grabnar via Lois-Bujold
<lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk> wrote:

>On 26/09/2021 23:50, Eric Oppen wrote:
>> FWIW,  the Scandinavians themselves say they aren't socialist.
>
>Which Scandinavians? And how was the question phrased?
>
>I mean, obviously they aren't all socialist. Breivik certainly wasn't a
>socialist, he set out to kill socialists.
>
>But let's look at something more concrete than "they say". How about
>list of the biggest political parties, per country?
>
>Sweden:
>
>Swedish Social Democratic party (social democracy) 100/349 MPs
>
>Moderate party (liberal conservatism) 70/349 MPs
>
>Sweden Democrats (social conservatism, nationalism) 62/349 MPs
>
>Norway:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Norwegian_parliamentary_election 13th
September

>Labour party (social democracy) 24.8 % share of the vote

26.3% (48 seats,-1), in the latest election.
>
>Conservative party (liberal conservatism) 20.1% share of the vote

20.4 (36,-9)

>
>Progress party (national conservatism) 8.2% share of the vote

11.6 (21,-6)

Centre: 13.5 (28,+9)
Socialist Left: 7.6 (13,+2)
Red 4.7 (8,+7)
Liberal 4.6 (8,NC)
Green 3.9 (3,+2)
Christian Democrat 3.8 (3,-5)
Patient Focus 0.2 (1, new)

Definite leftward shift.  Labour are expected to head the new coalition.

>
>Denmark
>
>Social Democrats (social democracy) 49/179 MPs
>
>Left (liberal party) 39/179 MPs
>
>Danish People's party (Danish nationalism) 16/179 MPs
>
>And just for laughs, let's add Germany, which is not part of
>Scandinavia, but implements a lot of similar policies, and just had an
>election:
>
>Social Democratic party of Germany 206/735
>
>Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union 196/735
>
>Green party 118/735
>
>
>And note that many of the policies implicitly supported by the social
>conservative parties listed there would get them labeled as pinko commie
>scum in the US.
>
>But of course your assertion is simply a step in the dance of
>Schroedinger's socialism:
>
>A: It would be a good thing to implement policy X
>
>B: NO! That is SOCIALISM! And socialism NEVER works!
>
>A: It works, for instance, in these countries
>
>B: Those countries don't count, they're poor, and their people are brown
>
>A: It works in Scandinavia
>
>B: Scandinavia is not socialist
>
>A: But they implement policy X, and it works, we should implement X
>
>B: NO! That would be SOCIALISM! And socialism NEVER works!

"No True Scotsman" fallacy.
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