[LMB] OT: Gender Roles , figures

WILLIAM A WENRICH wawenri at msn.com
Tue Sep 28 19:52:32 BST 2021


Bell curves can have a lot of overlap yet if you are looking at the top (or bottom) 5% there will be a very large difference in the numbers.

William A Wenrich

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Subject: [LMB] OT: Gender Roles , figures


Peter Hews suggests:

> A quick look at the figures

Agreed. Let's look.

> will tell you that the strongest woman is way stronger than the
> average man, the weakest man far weaker than the average woman,and
> most of the scale overlaps.  The musclemen and and the weak little
> women are not norms but statistical outliers.

Height being correlated and easier to measure we find

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdqydj.com%2Fheight-percentile-calculator-for-men-and-women%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cca6ba2ee68444dbdd4e608d9821c8185%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637683881214561239%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=McekofZQEIq2jJCh3GARkiSP44q06%2FA7kaqn1CZv73w%3D&reserved=0

(Data for US adults, Center for Disease Control, self-identified
gender, from 2015)


The 50th percentile man is taller than the 50th percentile woman.
The 1st percentile man is taller than the first percentile woman.
The 99th percentile man is taller than the 99th percentile woman.
The fourth percentile man is taller than half of all women.
The 69th percentile man is taller than top 1 percent of  woman.
The median -- 50th percentile -- man is taller than all but TWO
    percentiles (the 98th and 99th, of course) of women.

And so on for every bin of data available.

We could use WEIGHT, instead, of course:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdqydj.com%2Fweight-percentile-calculator-men-women%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cca6ba2ee68444dbdd4e608d9821c8185%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637683881214561239%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=rRqJI3fFQo1Waw35ICJig%2Bc8qREZk1eFyAaP5hsstJ4%3D&reserved=0

The 50th percentile man is heavier than the 50th percentile woman.
The 1st percentile man is heavier than the first percentile woman.
The 99th percentile man is heavier than the 99th percentile woman.
The 33rd percentile man is heavier than the 50th percentile woman.
The 50th percentile man is heaver than then 70th percentile woman.

"Overlap" among the distributions rather depends on how you draw
the chart, it would seem. Is there a link to a bell curve you like
better in support of the "outliers" assertion?

To stress another point of my original remark,  "professions"
are different, and much more common in this century, than "jobs".

The office suite of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint is a tool and
skill set of professionals.  Driving a vehicle to deliver
mail according to GPS and QR codes is a profession. The company
clerk who keeps the government's forms filled out with statistics
about race,  gender, citizenship, vaccination status, natal
language, participation in health and retirement programs ---
a professional.  The person climbing a pole to change a
blown transformer has a job. The person who climbs under the
tanker truck to hook up hoses and refill the gas station's
underground tanks has a job. The enlisted person in a military-
occupational-specialty who by combat readiness standards is
required to test every three months by carrying 80 pounds (36
kilograms, or literally --fully-- half the body weight of a median,
50th percentile, strong healthy trained athletic and hale female)
over a distance of ten miles (16 Km) has a ... problem. A
challenge.  By design military training requirements replicate
the dangerous and difficult conditions that differ from
equally important jobs -- driving and filling in forms and using
tools at the workbench to assemble or maintain equipment and
weapons. It's an incredible view of human capacity and the range
of necessary tasks in human society to assess that ANY warm
body can by willpower and determination alone succeed in
ANY desired role.

Add surgery and pharmacy and hypnotism and prayer to the combination
of willpower and determination.  Let me know how THAT works
out.


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