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ravenclaweric at gmail.com
Tue Jul 23 23:03:30 BST 2019
A big part of the problems with Victorian cities was that sanitation was
still primitiveand transport was still horse drawn. London had a million
horses and each one dropped a ton of fund a year. There were people who
earned a living by keeping street crossing swept for tips.
On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, markus baur <baur at chello.at> wrote:
> Am 22.07.2019 um 21:46 schrieb Katherine Collett:
>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Eric Oppen <ravenclaweric at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The thing was, the "dark satanic mills" in Victorian England WERE
>>> progress! Prior to the Industrial Revolution, the surplus rural
>>> had only a few options, and none of them were good. After the factories
>>> were there, they could go and work in them.
>>> Also, the Industrial Revolution made a lot of things more accessible to
>>> poor, like making clothes cheaper.
>>> Most of the sneering at factories was by people who were too rich to have
>>> any idea of what life was like for the real poor. They would rhapsodize
>>> about how much better life was in the country. Which it was, _if you
>>> land!_ Tenants, OTOH, were at the mercy of their landlords, and life in
>>> those quaint, picturesque country cottages was often pretty hellish.
>> Well, that’s true to some extent. But my understanding is that until
>> perhaps well into the industrial revolution, basically people came from the
>> country to the cities and died there — that is, cities’ populations would
>> have steadily decreased, if not for the constant influx of people from the
>> countryside. And people had longer lifespans if they stayed in the
>> country. So, life could be nasty, brutish, and short in the country or the
>> city, but evidently worse in the city.
> yep - cities were (and still are to some degreee) population sinks
> dpeending on a steady influx of "newcomers" for maintainnig a steady state
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