[LMB] OT: Teasing And Bullying Kids About Their Weight Is Linked To Increased Weight Gain

WILLIAM A WENRICH wawenri at msn.com
Sat Jun 1 00:35:23 BST 2019


Actually neither the dunk test nor the conductivity test work well for me since I have 8” of stainless steel in my left leg.

Christian, husband, father, granddaddy, son, American. Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me.
William A Wenrich
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Subject: Re: [LMB] OT: Teasing And Bullying Kids About Their Weight Is Linked To Increased Weight Gain

Pay no attention to BMI. It's only used because it's simple; it actually
bears no relation to body fat percentage which is a bit trickier to measure
more accurately. The US Army measures waist and neck sizes and plugs those
numbers into a formula to measure body fat percentage, which will get at
least get you in in the ballpark, but still isn't all that accurate because
it gives a too much weight to neck size in its formula. Somebody like me
who's always had a relatively fat neck would calculate out with a smaller
percentage than my friends with skinnier necks. And that despite the
obvious beer belly that I sported when they didn't. I say all this to say
that formulas are bunk; people are simply too variable in body shape for
them to work for every single person.

So to hell with them. If the docs give you any lip about BMI tell 'em you
prefer to continue the discussion on the basis of a dunk test which is the
best way to measure body fat that I'm aware of. Otherwise, their continued
references to BMI undercut their credentials for any sort of discussion of
obesity.

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 9:47 AM WILLIAM A WENRICH <wawenri at msn.com> wrote:

> You’ve hit a peeve of mine and I’m about to pet it. <personal rant>
> I am fat. I weigh about 10kg more than I want to. According to BMI, I
> weigh 25 kg too much. That weight is ridiculous. I’ve counted every calorie
> and weighed myself daily and have come to the conclusion that I can gain
> weight on 1200 or fewer net calories.
> At least once a week, I see a report that says 1/3 of American children
> are obese. They then show pictures of children who obviously are. I
> volunteer with my granddaughters schools so I see a lot of 1st through 5th
> graders. Of the about 60 children, there are maybe 5 who look heavy. This
> includes preadolescent girls. I have a friend who is on my balloon crew who
> shares my birthday. She is a fitness trainer (ex weight lifter) and,
> according to BMI, obese. Any standard that says there is no difference
> between a 15 year old boy and a 90 year old woman is stupid.
> There are many things we don’t know about our bodies that doctors and the
> media pretend we do.</personal rant>
> Fat shaming is a broad term. It includes picking on picking on
> preadolescent girls who are not size 0. It is also used to slam men who are
> not attracted to 250 kg women who are 160 cm tall.
>
> Christian, husband, father, granddaddy, son, American. Here I stand. I can
> do no other. God help me.
> William A Wenrich
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> lois-bujold-bounces at lists.herald.co.uk> on behalf of Pat Mathews <
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> Linked To Increased Weight Gain
>
> Duh! End body weight shaming NOW! Did you know most diets make you *gain*
> weight once you're off them? The entire self-consciousness thing vastly
> increases the profits of the fake food industry and serves as a marvelous
> way to divert people's energies from, say, taking a hand in changing things
> around them, to into obsession with that extra ounce.
>
> In earlier days it was cleanliness. Before then, an obsessive propriety,
> mostly things like Thou Shalt Not Raise Thy Voice, go out unchaperoned,
> etc, wear the tea garb at dinner, etc.
>
> This, of course, never applied to those who did the hard and dirty work of
> the world.
>
> Grrrr.......
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> Ya think?
>
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