[LMB] Talking to Demons

Jason Long sturmvogel66 at gmail.com
Fri Apr 17 18:45:15 BST 2020


Yeah, great minds think alike, Tony. I think that summoned demons are under
an entire different set of rules where they don't have free will.

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:47 PM Tony Zbaraschuk <tonyz at eskimo.com> wrote:

> It seems to me that there's another possible explanation, which is that
> "the B*stard's demons" are those directly under their Master's control.
> They're on the job, doing their assigned errands, and there's no point
> trying to divert them from same.
>
> But _escaped_ demons, ones who've got out of control, are _not_ under
> orders and _do_ have free will: and that covers most of the ones we've
> seen since then.
>
>
> Tony Zbaraschuk
>
>
> On Fri, April 17, 2020 11:18 am, Louann Miller wrote:
> > Since we do not entertain the concept here that Lois Might Be Wrong, I
> > think we have to conclude that Chalion's temples did not know as much
> > about demons as the temples Penric encountered in other countries roughly
> > 200
> > years earlier.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 10:35 AM Beatrice Otter via Lois-Bujold <
> > lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm currently reading Curse of Chalion, and something has struck me:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In the passage where Caz and Umegat are discussing death miracles and
> >> the death demon and Dondo being stuck in Caz's stomach, Umegat says “I
> >> think the demon would immediately attempt to complete its destiny. Not
> >> that it has a choice—the Bastard’s demons have no free will. You
> >> can’t argue with or persuade them. In fact, there’s no use talking
> >> to one at all.â€
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Which is, um, consistent with events in CoC but *not* consistent with
> >> any encounter with demons in Paladin of Souls or in Penric.  Demons have
> >> lots of will!  And, presuming they've been in human hosts and thus
> >> gained the ability of speech, they have lots to say!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And also, a demon of Des' type, that is to say, one who starts out as
> >> an unformed elemental and gains ability and knowledge by jumping to ever
> >> more complex creatures, does not seem to me to be the same as the demon
> >> that carries out the death miracle.  It has capabilities IMMEDIATELY
> >> upon entering the world, it has no host, it does only exactly what it's
> >> supposed to and then returns to the Bastard's hell.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So are there different kinds of demons, then?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Beatrice Otter
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