[LMB] OT: Anne with an "E"

Pat Mathews mathews55 at msn.com
Sun Apr 26 18:44:21 BST 2020

Yes, but from all I've heard their methods were cruel and harshly punitive - think "reform school" at best - and in many cases, abuse was rampant. Which happens when you have a captive population you think of as "lesser beings."
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My father remembered playing basketball against the team from the Pipestone
Indian School; he said they were pretty good players.

My own take on those schools is that there were no good choices.  The
tribes' traditional lifestyles were over---they couldn't live like that any
more.  The government wanted the natives to become part of the bigger
culture, and that meant (among other things) learning English (or French,
in some parts of Canada) and obtaining skills that were not obtainable in a
traditional setting.

Like it or not, the optimal time to pick up a foreign language is when
you're young.  My father wished that his family had spoken Norwegian (all
his older relatives were fluent) at home, so he could have picked it up

And sometimes the acculturation to the wider culture worked.  I don't know
if Charles Curtis went to one of those schools, but he did well enough---in
Congress for many years, VPOTUS to Herbert Hoover (and if it hadn't been
for the Depression, he might have ended up as our first Native POTUS)
despite having been born into a Native tribe and having Kaw be his birth

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 10:51 AM Louann Miller <domelouann at gmail.com> wrote:

> William, I have no doubt that the "residential school" story is true. I
> know that both the United States and Australia were doing the same thing to
> the original inhabitants as well. But that was never 'in the best interests
> of the child.' It was an open attempt to wipe out there icky nonwhite
> cultures, and if a little genocide happened along the way that was good
> too.
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 9:15 AM Alex Kwan <litalex at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > > ---- On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:06:06 -0700 Eric Oppen <
> > ravenclaweric at gmail.com> wrote ----
> > >
> > > This sort of situation is one where it's true that "hard cases make bad
> > > law."  Child-protection agencies can't do right---either they're too
> > > proactive and taking children away for silly or minor reasons, or
> they're
> > > not proactive enough and after a spectacular case of child abuse comes
> to
> > > light, everybody howls "why didn't they DOOOO something?”
> >
> > My mother was a teacher at a primary school for a decade, and one of her
> > students was always smelly, partly because she was still wearing a diaper
> > at 10. The student also had many obvious bruises. But whenever an
> authority
> > figure asked her about her condition, the student always lied and said
> she
> > was just clumsy. Every adult at the school wanted to help her, but unless
> > the girl admitted that her parents were pretty much abusing her, there
> was
> > nothing my mom and the school could do.
> >
> > little Alex
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