[LMB] Old SF

Ruchira Mathur wetair at gmail.com
Mon Sep 28 23:36:50 BST 2020

Hmm. From what I remember about the sad puppies, they concluded a story
couldn't be good if it had too much of something they didn't like.

And also concluded that no one else could have liked it either, and the
only reason it won awards/sold well was because of the too much something
and so it didn't really deserve the award.

It seemed to me that the sad puppies could not believe that anyone could
truly like a story that that they detest.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 6:19 PM Zan Lynx <zlynx at acm.org> wrote:

> > On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 09:59:32 -0700, "Jean Lamb" <tlambs1138 at charter.net>
> wrote:
> [snip]
> >> ---It means 'there are too many black people, too many women, too
> >> many gay people, and it makes me uncomfortable. I can handle a
> >> legion of alien bugs, but I don't like having to read about people
> >> who are *that* different from me'.
> >>
> >> That's what I meant, especially after reading some of the responses
> >> here on this list.
> On 9/28/2020 3:12 PM, Marc Wilson wrote:
> >
> > That's what the whole Sad/Rabid Puppies debacle was about.
> That may be what SOME PEOPLE thought it was about. I support Sad Puppies
> (don't talk about Rabids) and that is not what I SUPPORTED.
> I support the idea that GOOD STORIES come ahead of any amount of
> political correctness. A story should never be given an award because it
> happens to have the correct mixture of character types or have authors
> from whatever identity group is trendy.
> Awards should only be given because the story is considered good by a
> large number of award voters. And YES, that is from my white male
> definition of a good story. Other voters can use their personal
> definitions and what gets the most votes wins.
> So I reject the notion that Sad Puppies was about "too many black
> people, too many women, ..." and being uncomfortable.
> If anyone thinks that's what it meant, I believe that says more about
> them than it does about Sad Puppy supporters. Because to believe that
> meant rewriting Sad Puppy statements into what the observer thought it
> must have really meant, and COMPLETELY IGNORING what was actually said.
> And ignoring plain statements in favor of made up imagination is
> something that drives me NUTS.
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