[LMB] 5GU holy days recapped

Lois Bujold lbujold at myinfmail.com
Tue Jun 22 16:11:32 BST 2021

[LMB] 5GU holy days recapped
Raymond Collins rcrcoll6 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 22 05:50:12 BST 2021

RC:  Do the Gods have a realm where they interact?

LMB:  Er, all of them?  They are all there, everywhere, all the time.  
It might help to think of it as each god "taking point" in Their season.

At the risk of explaining how sausages are made, it might also help to 
think of the 5GU gods, as I do, as emergent properties of the world.  
Not separate -- no dualism here, thankyouverymuch.  I touch on this in 
the recent Smart Bitches interview.

If you take the emergent properties model, physics is emergent from the 
underlying structure of the universe, chemistry is emergent from 
physics, biology is emergent from chemistry, and life and mind are 
emergent from biology.  Take it up one step or level further, and the 
gods are the emergent property of all.  So matter and spirit are not two 
things; spirit (or mind, if you like) is an inherent expression of 
matter, generated by it.

Totally not like real-world religions with creator gods; profoundly 
different from, say, the Catholicism with which it often gets confused 
or conflated.  A lot of readers, I observe in reviews, seem to be 
tone-deaf to serious theological matters, taking their notions of 
religion from D&D games I suppose, and blow right past these underlying 
concerns of the stories without them registering, which gives them a 
very different read from those who do.  "Speculative theology" is a good 

Ta, L.

(There's a whole 'nother discussion on whether the 5GU gods are inside 
or outside time, or whether anything parallel to notions of eternity 
apply.  Since notions of eternity really upwhack agency in free will, I 
am on the whole inclined to think They are inside time with the rest of 
the observable universe that creates/generates Them.)


On Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 9:30 PM Lois Bujold <lbujold at myinfmail.com> wrote:

 > To recap --
 > The parts of the 5GU we've seen so far have four major holy days at the
 > solstices and equinoxes, where the gods hand over Their reigns (or
 > reins) to each other in turn; and four minor ones exactly halfway in
 > between each major one, honoring the god(ess) of its quarter at the
 > apex.  The mid-period Spring holiday for the Daughter was iirc the one
 > where Ista and her party stopped for the county fair.  The Father's
 > falls on Groundhog Day, also given to the Bastard in Roknari lands (a
 > day of fasting and staying in nervously.)  The mid-Summer holiday,
 > sheltered in His Mother's season, is commonly given to the Bastard in
 > other lands.  I don't think we've had occasion to visit the mid-Autumn
 > one, but it's there.  So at least 8 holidays in the year's round, plus
 > more purely local events -- saints' days and what-not -- scattered about
 > q.s.
 > Ta, L.

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