[LMB] [OT] Atlantic crossings, was Centrifugal gravity, was Re: Cordelia's College sport
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Wed Jun 23 10:36:45 BST 2021
Indeed. If I had my time ship handy, I'd trowel the past and see if that
happened. Alas! I don't have a time ship. So maybe there might be a few
archaeological bits and pieces about like a bit of leather, or a copper
coin. And don't forget the DNA.
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 3:45 AM markus baur via Lois-Bujold <
lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk> wrote:
> and the romans DID go to the canary islands - which was the jump off
> point for columbus to cross the atlantic
> On 23.06.2021 08:41, Raymond Collins wrote:
> > The Roman's had pretty good ships but for the most part they were
> > for the Mediterranean sea. But theoretically they could have crossed the
> > Atlantic if they got lucky weather wise. And of course there were the
> > natives who may or may not have been all that friendly. There may have
> > been contact but I doubts it was two way. Of course DNA evidence has
> > surprised us on the west coast of South America and on some Polynesian
> > islands.
> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 12:11 AM B. Ross Ashley <brashley46 at gmail.com>
> >> On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 11:51:31 +0200, markus baur <baur at chello.at> wrote,
> >> inter alia:
> >>> On 22.06.2021 02:32, Matthew George wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 3:44 AM Matija Grabnar via Lois-Bujold <
> >>>> lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk> wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >>>> The Romans didn't have the tech to cross the Atlantic, and if they'd
> >>>> somehow managed it,
> >>> that is very much debateable. Thor Heyerdahl showed that pre-roman
> >>> would have had the necessary tech for a one way crossing of the
> >>>> they would have been a horror.
> >>> yes - mostly for the illnesses they would have brought with them ..
> >>> otoh they most likely would not have been able to exploit the "window
> >>> opportunity" opened by these illnesses
> >> We know that medieval Norsemen from Iceland managed it; the lack in
> >> their case was sufficient political organisation to reinforce the few
> >> settlements - maybe only one - in Newfoundland. Their knorrs were better
> >> adapted to the North Atlantic than Roman cargo ships would have been.
> >> But they were weeks of sea time away from Greenland, more weeks away
> >> from Iceland, and even more weeks away from their old homeland in Norway
> >> which was being ravaged by internecine war off and on for at least a
> >> century.
> >> I can imagine a cohort of legionary troops in 10 or 15 knerrir, but the
> >> chances of all of them making the voyage intact are next to nil.
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